I learned quite a bit about Shimano Di2 when I installed one of the first available Time Trial/Triathlon groupsets on my Cervelo P2. I’ve subsequently answered a lot of questions on forums and article comments, and elsewhere. In doing so, I realized that people have a lot of questions about Di2 and the answers are difficult to find. This lead me to create this article, to consolidate everything I know and have been asked into one location so people can find answers. If you can’t find what you’re looking for below, please leave a comment and I’ll do my best to help.
Index: There’s lots of info in this post, so here’s an Index to help you find specific sections:
- Di2 General Overview
- Compatibility: Between 6770 10-speed, 6780 11-speed, 9070 11-speed, first-gen 7970
- How to Check Battery Level
- How to Adjust Rear Derailleur Trim
- How to Adjust Front Derailleur Trim
- Dealer Installation Manuals
- Shimano E-tube Project Software – Change Settings and Update Firmware
- Chargers, PC USB Interfaces/Programmers
- Component Overviews
- Shift/Brake Levers
- Dedicated Shift Buttons
- Front Derailleurs
- Rear Derailleurs
- Display Units and ANT Bluetooth Wireless Communication Modules
- Batteries and Battery Mounts (Internal and External)
- Front Cable Connection A Junctions (with charger ports and LED status lights)
- Rear Cable Connect B Junctions
- Cables, Grommets, Cable Install Tools
- List of Components Needed to Build Your Own Di2 System
- Technical Details of the Di2 CANBUS protocol and signaling
System Overview: Shimano Di2 Dura-Ace 9150 and 9070 and Ultegra 6770 and 6870
The second generation Shimano Ultegra 6770/6870 and Dura-Ace 9070 “E-Tube” electronic bicycle shifting systems consist of battery-powered electric derailleurs activated by handlebar mounted push buttons. Power and shift commands are sent via a 2-wire CAN (Controller Area Network) datalink contained within a single cable housing. This design has several advantages over conventional mechanical shifting systems, the most notable of which are:
- Extremely low shifting effort, which generally results in more frequent shifts and therefore better gear ratio selection.
- Greatly improved shift quality, especially for the front derailleur chainrings, allowing shifting under full power with almost no chance of a dropped chain.
- Shifting is available at multiple positions on the handlebars, for example, at the end of the time trial aero bars, on the brake levers, up to in climbing position, and down low the sprint position.
- Automatic trimming of the front derailleur position as the rear derailleur moves back and forth between the smaller and bigger gears. This eliminates unintended contact (and noise) between the front derailleur and the chain.
- Lighter weight vs. equivalent mechanical system. The Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 9070 electronic groupset with internal battery weighs 2047 grams; the Shimano Dura-Ace 9000 mechanical groupset weighs 2074 grams (27 grams more than Di2.)
- Multi-Shift: Pressing and holding a rear derailleur shift button results in shifts through multiple gears. The rate of shifts can be configured using the PC computer interface cable and the free Shimano E-tube Project software.
- Synchronized Shifting: Starting with Dura-Ace 9150, automated Synchronized Sifting of the front derailleur is an option. Two SHIMANO Synchronized Shift modes will be available:
- Full SHIMANO Synchronized Shift: the front derailleur reacts based on the rear derailleur’s shift action. This essentially means that, when activated, there is no need for two separate shifters to control front and rear derailleurs, the two buttons on one shifter will control both derailleurs.
- Semi SHIMANO Synchronized Shift mode: the rear derailleur reacts based on the front derailleur’s shift action, shifting to the next most appropriate rear gear when the rider makes a front shift.
- R9120, R9170 – syncroshift enabled with firmware 3.2.0 or newer
- 6870, 9070 – syncroshift enabled with firmware 3.2.1 or newer
- 6770 – no syncroshift firmware update will be offered
Historic Info on the older first generation 5-wire Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 DA-7970 system and how it compares to the new E-tube 2-wire system:
Released in 2009, the 7970 operated using a very basic 5-wire electronic system. Each shift button was connected to a different wire; shorting the specific wires together controlled the derailleur upshifts and downshifts. Because the first generation 7970 used completely different technologies than the newer 2-wire systems, none of the components are cross-compatible. At this point, Shimano is not expected to offer any updates or new components using the first generation 7970 architecture; everything from now on will be based on the newer 2-wire E-tube design. The second generation design offers several advantages, which include: 1) smaller wire size, smaller connector size, waterproof connectors; 2) all switches can be reconfigured in software to send upshift or downshift commands to either the front or rear derailleur; 3) firmware updates can add new features (such as multi-shift) and compatibility with new components.
Compatibility: Dura-Ace 9070 and Ultegra 6770 / 6870 (and old 5-conducter 7970)
The confusing naming system used by Shimano makes it difficult to figure out what each component is, much less what is compatible between systems. Here are some compatibility guidelines:
- Nothing from the first generation (4-conductor / 5-conductor) Dura-Ace Di2 7970 system is compatible with any other newer system. It was replaced by the (2-conductor) E-tube systems. No parts are inter-operable between 7970 and any other Di2 System.
- In general, every electronic Di2 component is compatible between the Ultegra 6770, 6870, and Dura-Ace 9070 systems (see exceptions below.) This means that all of the road bike Ultegra/Dura-Ace dual control brake levers/shifts, time trial shifters, and climbing shifters can be used with either Ultegra 6770/6870 or Dura-Ace 9070 front and rear derailleurs. Any of the Ultegra/Dura-Ace controllers (A Junctions) can be used with either system. All components use the same cables and connectors.
- Firmware Update Required to Make Older Components Compatible with Newer Components: If you add a new component and it doesn’t work, update the firmware using the PC USB adapter and the Shimano E-tube Project Software for Windows.
- Synchronized Shifting and Bluetooth Wireless Units can be added to all E-tube Ultegra and Dura-Ace systems but the battery has to be upgraded to the BT-DN110 Internal Battery or BM-DN100 External Battery Mount. To add Bluetooth capability, a EW-WU101 or EW-WU111 inline transmitter must be added to road bikes and for mountain bikes, the SC-MT800 or SC-M9051 display/transmitter unit must be added.
- Compatibility Exceptions:
- Note 1 – Sprint Shifter Exception: The Sprint Shifter is the only exception for shifter incompatibility. It has a different wiring connector (and internal components) that can only plug into a unique/dedicated third port on the Dura-Ace ST-9070 Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters and also the ST-6870 Levers. There is no sprint shifter port on the ST-R785 Hydraulic Levers.
- Note 2 – Can’t mix 10-speed/11-speed front/rear Derailleurs: It is no longer possible to use a 10-speed front derailleur with an 11-speed rear derailleur (and 11-speed front with 10-speed rear.) See note farther below to read the history on this if you want all the messy details.
- Note 3 – Front A junction and Internal Battery: Since the February 2015 firmware update, the older SM-EW67-A-E Front Junction A is no longer compatible with the BTR2 Internal Battery because it does not have the charging port to charge the internal battery. The SM-EW90 Front Junction (with integrated charging port) should be used instead. The SM-EW67 still works with the external battery.
- Note 4 – Update the Firmware to make components compatible: If the firmware on all components is not updated to the latest version, some components may be not operate correctly with one another. So download the latest E-tube software and update everything and it should work.
- Note 5 – All Shifters work with all 10-speed and/or 11-speed Rear Derailleurs: All of the shifters are compatible with either the 10-speed Ultegra 6770 or 11-speed Ultegra 6870/Dura-Ace 9070 systems as long as they all have the latest firmware. The rear derailleur is the only component that “knows” or “cares” how many rear gears are available. The shifters only send upshift/downshift commands and do not “know” or “care” which gear is currently selected and how many total gears there are.
- Note 6 – SM-BTR1 External Battery and SM-BMR1 Mount firmware updates: The more expensive dedicate service tool (SM-PCE1 PC Interface) must be used to upgrade the firmware on the external battery/mount.The external battery and battery mount can not receive firmware upgrades via the SM-EW90 Front Junction A and the SM-BCR2 PC Interface/Battery Charger. (The SM-EW90 will work in a system with an external battery, but a firmware update can cause them to become incompatible until both are updated independently using the appropriate PC Interface and the Shimano E-Tube Project software.)
- See the Shimano E-tube compatibility chart version 3.4.3 for more details
Compatibility: 11-Speed Rear Derailleur and 10-speed sprockets/wheels
The 11-speed Dura-Ace 9070 and Ultegra 6870 rear derailleurs are designed exclusively for 11-speed rear sprockets and 11-speed Front Derailleurs. Shimano does not provide a way to recalibrate/reprogram them for a 10-speed setup. The sprocket spacing is slightly smaller and the overall range of travel slightly longer on 11-speed systems. If you have 10-speed wheels and 10-speed sprockets, you should use the 10-speed RD-6770 rear derailleur and a 10-speed FD-6770 front derailleur.
Similarly, a 10-speed RD-6770 rear derailleur should not be used with 11-speed sprockets. There will be chatter in some gears, and there might be slow-shifts or self-shifts.
It doesn’t matter which shifters are used; the shifters send upshift/downshift commands regardless of which derailleur config is being used. Shifters do not “know” or “care” which gear is currently selected and how many total gears there are.
Front Chain Rings: In general, most any front chain rings will work, rigid forged rings work best with Di2 due to high front derailleur shift forces. Shimano chain rings tend to be the best, but most others work as well. A 10-speed specific or 11-speed specific chain should be used, but the differences between them are minimal and can generally be mixed/matched without issue.
How to convert “non-upgradeable 10-speed only” wheels such as Zipp 900/Sub9 Disc Wheels to 11-speed: “the spacing between a Campy 11 and Shimano 11 is close enough that you can use the cassettes interchangeably. If you get a Campy free hub body, the 2 shims (part# is on the Zipp website, just search for Campagnolo 11) and a Campy cassette and you’re ready to ride with all 11 cogs available to use.” via slowtwitch.com
But it’s an emergency and I need to use a 10-speed wheel. . . In emergency situations, 11-speed rear derailleurs can be used with 10-speed sprockets. There will probably be chatter in some gears, and there might be slow-shifts or self-shifts. To setup an 11-speed rear derailleur for a 10-speed sprocket setup, adjust the mechanical limit screw so that it can’t shift into the missing 11th sprocket position, then follow the rear derailleur adjustment procedures listed below.
Included for very motivated individuals only: 10-speed front derailleurs can be used with 11-speed rear derailleurs if the shifters and battery have firmware installed from E-tube software version 2.5.2 or earlier. Shimano disabled support for this 11-speed and 10-speed cross-matching with later firmware updates. For informational purposes only, the details of how to regain compatibility are detailed below.
- Important Notice 2014-07-14: There is a compatibility issue with Shimano e-Tube software/firmware versions v2.6.0 and later that prevents 10-speed front derailleurs (FD-6770) from working with 11-speed rear derailleurs (RD-6870) and 11-speed front derailleurs (FD-6870) from working with 10-speed rear derailleurs (RD-6770). DO NOT UPDATE FIRMWARE using Shimano e-Tube software v2.6.0 or later if you are mixing an FD-6770 front derailleur and a RD-6870 11-speed rear derailleur, or a FD-6870 with a RD-6770.
- The problem component is the battery (external battery mounts SM-BMR1 and SM-BMR2, internal seat post battery SM-BTR2.) If you keep battery firmware at v2.0.6 or earlier, the system will continue to function properly. Shimano e-Tube Software v2.6.0 will update battery firmware to v3.0.5, and will not allow the RD-6870 to work with a FD-6770 setup.
- If the battery firmware is updated to 3.0.5, it CAN NOT be rewritten back to the older version. You will need to need to replace a derailleur so that both are 6770 10-speed or so that that both are 6870 11-speed. (The other option is to get get a battery with the older firmware and never update it.)
- Here’s a link to the “last known good version” of the Shimano e-Tube software to work with a mixed 10-speed/11-speed system: E-tube_Proj_V_2_5_2.zip Use this version and do not connect to the internet when using it so that E-tube can’t check for updates when open.
- To roll-back newer versions of battery and shifter firmware, install E-tube version 2.5.2 and made a copy of “C:\ProgramData\E-tube Project\FW” which has all the firmwares packaged in that version of E-tube. Next, install the latest version of E-tube. Then copy all the firmwares from the the 2.2.3 version back to the same location “C:\ProgramData\E-tube Project\FW” for the latest version (note: ProgramData is a hidden directory, click here for details on how to view it.). Next, the trick is to find the firmware you want to downgrade (pretty easy from the name and version in the file name), and then rename it to the same name as the latest version, but increment the last version digit by one. Then connect to the bike with E-tube (without an internet connection) and it will identify that a firmware upgrade is available for that component and allow you to do the firmware “upgrade” to the older version of firmware. Now exit E-tube and then rename the firmware file back to original to prevent the issue in future. E-tube will then try to upgrade again but just don’t let it do that. This should get a bike that did nothing (not even enter adjustment mode) to a fully working state by reverting the battery and shifters. Running latest firmware in derailleurs seems to be fine. (thanks to commenter vosadrain)
- It will not be possible to charge the BTR2 internal battery using the BCR2 USB charger unless you also downgrade the firmware of the BCR2 USB charger as well.
- Note however that latest E-tube software will say the setup is unsupported and will not allow programming. To do programming, disconnect the internal battery and connect a spare external battery. This allows making settings changes. To program the BTR2 itself, I just connect to the BTR2 by itself (no other components) and the E-tube software will allow firmware changes to it. Or try using the 2.5.2 version of E-tube.
- Alternatively, buy a Di2DIY internal seat post battery kit and you will not have to go through the firmware downgrading. The kit makes it possible to run all components with the latest E-tube firmware. Also worth noting some firmware updates were done to fix power distribution errors in the FPGA’s that would allow the batteries to drain down when the bike was just sitting.
Checking Battery Charge Level:
A single battery charge should give at least 1500 miles of riding. Most riders will not need to charge the battery more than twice a year.
To check the battery charge remaining, press and hold any shifting switch for 0.5 seconds or more. The amount of battery charge remaining will be indicated by the light on Front Controller A Junction.
- 100% remaining: Illuminates green (for 2 seconds)
- 50% remaining: Flashes green (5 times)
- 25% remaining: Illuminates red (for 2 seconds)
- 0% remaining: Flashes red (5 times)
When the battery charge is low, first the front derailleur will stop operating, and then the rear derailleur will stop operating. When the battery charge has been fully spent, the derailleurs will be fixed at the last gear shifting position. If the battery indicator is illuminated red, it is recommended that you recharge the battery as soon as possible.
Adjusting the Rear Derailleur Trim:
If you switch between multiple rear wheels, it’s very likely that the sprockets on different wheels won’t be in exactly the same relative position to the rear derailleur, resulting in that annoying clicking sound as the chain makes contact with an adjacent sprocket. Follow the steps below to properly align the rear derailleur with the rear sprockets.
- Shift the rear derailleur to the 5th sprocket position. Press the button at the junction (A) of the SM-EW67-A-E until the red LED illuminates in order to switch to rear derailleur adjustment mode. Note that if you keep pressing the button after the red LED has illuminated, protection recovery operation will begin.
- If shifting switch is pressed once while the initial setting condition is active, the guide pulley will move one step toward the inside. If shifting switch (Y) is pressed once, the guide pulley will move one step toward the outside.
- Note: The guide pulley can move 15 steps inward and 15 steps outward from the initial position, for a total of 31 positions.
- Note: When adjusting, the guide pulley will overrun slightly and then move back in an exaggerated movement so that you can check the adjustment direction. When checking the positions of the guide pulley and the sprocket, check at the position where the guide pulley finally stops.
- While turning the front chainwheel, operate shifting switch to move the guide pulley toward the inside until the chain touches the 4th sprocket and makes a slight noise.
- Next, operate shifting switch 4 times to move the guide pulley toward the outside by 4 steps to the target position.
- Press the button at junction (A) until the red LED turns off in order to switch from rear derailleur adjustment mode to gear shifting mode. Shift to each gear and check that no noise is generated at any gear position. If fine adjustment is needed, switch back to adjustment mode and readjust the rear derailleur.
- Note: if you have customized your shifters and swapped buttons, this will change which shifter and buttons control the micro-adjustments. Also, if you hit the wrong buttons while trying to set the FD trim, you can actually alter the setup of your RD. Be certain that you’re hitting the correct adjustment buttons.
- If you have a Garmin or similar head unit and a SM-EWW01 ANT module, the display will automatically switch into derailleur trim display when you activate that mode (i.e. by pressing the button at the junction (A) of the SM-EW67-A-E.) It will give you the trim position in either + or – 12 positions. When switching wheels, simply take note which position suits which wheel/sprocket/trainer, and trim to that level each time you change. This removes the guesswork and makes changing from wheel to trainer simple.
Note on FD-6870 Front Derailleur Trim:
The FD-6870 trim adjustment effects the auto-trim positions. The adjustment feature is accessible via either the A-Junction box, or the “Front derailleur adjustment setting” in the e-tube software, and should be used only after you have already set the physical inner/outer limit screws. So for example, if the FD outer plate rubs the chain when using the 6th largest cog, you would want to adjust the FD trim outward a couple ticks. However, you can only perform this adjustment while in the big-ring/big-cog combination. Etube forces the derailleurs into this maximum cross-chained position, whereas during the manual method you must shift to these positions yourself. (Thanks to commenter Bryan B for the info.)
Dealer Manuals:
The dealer’s manuals contain the most detailed information available from Shimano. If you’re looking for detailed installation instructions, check here:
- Shimano Ultegra 6770 Dealer’s Manual: http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/Ultegra/UltegraDi2/6770Di2_DM_EN_v1_m56577569830773882.pdf
- Shimano Ultegra 6870 Dealer’s Manual: http://si.shimano.com/php/download.php?file=pdf/dm/DM-UL0001-00-ENG.pdf
- Shimano Dura-Ace 9070 Dealer’s Manual: http://si.shimano.com/pdf/dm/DM-DA0001-00-ENG.pdf
- Shimano Alfine Di2: http://si.shimano.com/php/download.php?file=pdf/dm/DM-AL0001-03-ENG.pdf
Shimano E-tube Project Configuration and Firmware Update Software for Windows:
Shimano E-tube Project Wireless for iOS and Android: Announced on April 15, 2016 but as of yet unreleased, these apps will allow configuration of shift profiles (multi-shift on/off, multi-shift delay between shifts, shifter button assignments) and firmware updates over Bluetooth. To function, a Shimano Di2 Bluetooth Adapter, such as the MT800 digital display, is required.
Shimano E-tube Project Windows PC Software: This free software is used to update the firmware of all components. It works with the SM-BCR2 Charger + USB Adapter and the SM-PCE1 Diagnostic Adapter. The software is used to change the configuration of each shift button / lever (any can be programmed to upshift or downshift either the front or the rear derailleur.) It can also be used to enable multi-shift (multi-shift is where the shifter is held and the rear derailleur shifts through multiple gears until the shifter is released.) The delay between of the gear changes during multi-shifting can also be adjusted. The software is available from http://e-tubeproject.shimano.com/
Older versions of the e-tube software are available from these links: 2.5.2
PC & Mobile Interfaces, Chargers, and Software:
SM-BCR1 Battery Charger: This is used to charge the external battery. The part number for the battery charger wall cord is SM-BCC1.
SM-BCR2 Charging and PC Connection: for SM-EW90-A 3-port and SM-EW90-B 5-port A Junctions. This plugs into a special port on the side of the A junctions (which is covered by a rubber flap.) This adapter charges the internal battery when first plugged into the A junction; it must be powered by a standard USB Wall charger (such as that used for an Apple iPhone) or a PC that is powered-on. If the Shimano E-Tube Project Software is launched on the Windows PC with the SM-BCR2 attached, the SM-BCR2 will switch from charging mode to configuration mode. It must be detached from the computer and reattached to switch back to charging mode.
- It takes about 2 hours to charge the internal battery.
- Amber light=charging.
- Light turns off when done.
- If the Amber light does not come on when plugged in, this indicates battery is not discharged enough to charge.
- Light flashing indicates something is wrong, like trying to charge a external battery through a BMR.
Hacking the SM-BCR2 to have a standard Di2 cable connector: If your 3-port or 5-port junction is inaccessible for charging, there is an alternative hack method to connect it to the system through a standard Di2 port. With basic soldering skills you can hack the BCR2 to be used with any setup. Buy any length EW-SD50 wire, cut off one end. Cut the wire on the output side of the BCR2. Splice the two wires together, so that the output wire of the BCR2 is now a standard Di2 connector. The charger has an inner (white) and outer (shield) wire; connect the inner white wire to the SD50 red wire; connect the charger outer shield wire to the SD50 black wire. You will then be able to plug the BCR2 into any Di2 port. Or use a SM-JC40 junction B and another length of EW-SD50 wire and go through the RD (by using the SM-JC40 to connect the rear derailleur, new output wire of the EW-SD50, and the wire that ordinarily connect the rest of the system to the rear derailleur.) Thanks to @Di2diy for the info.
SM-PCE1: This PC Configuration and Diagnostics adapter will not charge the internal battery. It offers the same configuration options as the SM-BCR2, but also add some advanced diagnostic and troubleshooting features that the SM-BCR2 does not have. It attaches to via the standard E-tube wire (just like the EW-SD50 cables) rather than to a dedicated port on the side of the front A junction.
Bluetooth and E-tube Apps for Apple iOS and Android: Bluetooth wireless modules are available to allow system settings to be adjusted via the mobile applications that connect via Bluetooth Adapters.
Component Overview:
The confusing naming system used by Shimano makes it difficult to figure out what each component is, much less what it does and how it fits into an a complete Di2 system. Here’s an overview of all the major Ultegra and Dura-Ace Di2 components.
Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters (a.k.a. Brifters):
ST-6770 Ultegra Road Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: The Ultegra version can be used with the climbing shifters. They are sold in in left/right pairs and are also available separately.
ST-9070 Dura-Ace Road Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: The main advantages these have over the ST-6770 version is slightly lighter weight and compatibility with the low-mount sprint shifters. As like the Ultegra version, they are compatible with the climbing shifters. They also have hidden button under the rubber hoods that can activate screen changes on cycling computers from Garmin, Magellan, Pioneer, and Shimano (Shimano SM-EWW01 ANT Wireless Broadcast Module required.)
ST-9071 Dura-Ace Time Trial/Triathlon Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: These levers provide shifting from the pursuit bar position on time trial bikes. There is no Ultegra option offered at this time. These are available as left/right pairs, or can be ordered separately. These do have a permanently attached wire with a male end for connection the the SM-EW90 front “A” junction. Combined weight both levers: 117 grams.
ST-R9160 (standard cable brakes) and ST-R9180 (hydraulic brakes) Time Trial Dual Control Brake Levels/Shifters: These are the lower-profile shifters offered with the newer Dura-Ace R9150 groupset.
ST-6871 Ultegra Time Trial/Triathlon Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: Ultegra version of the ST-9071 Dura-Ace shifters. Slightly heavier and much less expensive than the Dura-Ace version. Combined weight both levers: 142 grams.
ST-R785 Hydraulic Road Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: These hydraulic road shifters are compatible with both the climbing and sprint shifters. These are compatible with the SM-RT99 centerlock 140mm and 160mm rotors and WH-RX31 wheelset (which as no standard rim brake track.) These require the BR-785 dual piston hydraulic disc calipers. They do not have the special wiring port required for the SW-R610 Sprint Shifters and a SM-EW90-B 5-port junction A is required to use the SW-R600 climbing shifter.
ST-6870 Ultegra Road Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters: These road shifters are compatible with both the climbing and sprint shifters.
Dedicated Shifters:
SW-R671 Dura-Ace 2-Button Time Trial/Triathlon Bar End Shifters: These shifters are installed on the end of time trial aero bars. By default, the left shifter upshifts/downshifts the front derailleur; the right controls the rear derailleur. For both, the lower button upshifts into a harder gear and the upper button downshifts to an easier gear. This can be changed using the Shimano E-tube Project software; the functions of the left and right sifters can be switched with one another as well. These are available in pairs or separately.
SW-9071 Dura-Ace 1-Button Time Trial/Triathlon Bar End Shifters: These shifters have only one button each and are intended to control only the rear derailleur, with one sending the upshift command and the other the downshift command. (I personally think this version is absolutely worthless. Why have 2 SW-9071 shifters at twice the price and twice the weight, when you can just buy a single SW-R671 Right shifter instead.)
SW-R600 Climbing/PAVE Shifter: This shifter is for road bikes and is mounted on the upper horizontal portion of the handlebar, or any other location comfortable for the rider. They can be used in addition to the Dual Control Brake Lever/Shifter, or can be used on their own by plugging directly into a SM-EW90-A 3-Port Junction or SM-EW90-B Dura-Ace 5-Port Junction.
SW-R610 Dura-Ace Sprint Shifter: This is the only component using a unique wiring connector; it is only compatible with the ST-9070 Dura-Ace and Ultegra ST-6870 Road Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters. Unlike all of the other shifters, the sprint shifters do not contain a circuit board; they do not show up as components on the CAN bus network. Instead, the sprint shifters are simple momentary switches that activate the circuit board on the host Dual Control Brake Lever/Shifter. The host dual control lever is what sends the shift command. (Note: Any momentary switch can be attached to the sprint shifter port on the Dual Control Levers by splicing into a standard EW-SD50 wire to act as remote shifters.)
Alfine SW-S705 Right Flat-Bar Shifter: Reported to work with other non-Alfine setups.
SW-R9160 Time Trial bar-end shifters (pair): These are-end shifters directly control the rear derailleur, with one for the upshfit and one for the downshift. The front derailleur is controlled automatically via automatic Synchronized Shifting. These shifters require the BT-DN110 Internal Battery for synchronized shifting.
SW-R9150 Climbing shifters (pair): These tiny climbing shifters are about as small as the sprint shifters, but can be directly connected to a junction box and do not have to be connected as slave buttons to a brake/shift lever special port. They come with plastic mounts to make it easier to attach to bars beneath bar tape. They are ideal for synchronized shifting, with one controlling the upshifts and the other downshifts. These shifters require the BT-DN110 Internal Battery for synchronized shifting.
Front Derailleurs:
FD-6770: Ultegra Front Derailleur
FD-6870: Ultegra Front Derailleur, pretty much identical to the FD-6770 but with a slightly larger diameter adjusting screw (to better dissipate the shifting forces).
FD-9070: Dura-Ace Front Derailleur
FD-R9150: Dura-Ace Front Derailleur for 9150 systems; features slightly reduced weight vs. 9070.
Rear Derailleurs:
RD-6770: Ultegra 10-Speed Rear Derailleur, compatible with gears up to 28 teeth.
RD-6870: Ultegra 11-Speed Rear Derailleur, compatible with gears up to 32 teeth (for the GS version).
RD-9070: Dura-Ace 11-Speed Rear Derailleur, lighter weight version on which the RD-6870 is based.
RD-R9150: Dura-Ace 11-Speed Rear Derailleur with 30-tooth sprocket compatibility and modified “Shadow RD” geometry to keep the mechanism close to the rear wheel to help avoid damage in the event of an accident.
Alfine SG-S505 and SG-S705: The Shimano series targets comfort and urban bikes. It uses an 8-speed (505) or 11-speed (705) internal epicyclic rear hub. It is believed to be compatible with other Di2 ETube components but this has not been verified.
Display / Wireless Communication:
SM-EWW01 ANT Wireless Broadcast Module: This module wirelessly broadcasts Di2 data (front and rear gear selection details, gear ratio, battery life) to a cycling computer using the ANT protocol. It is compatible with Dura-Ace 9070, Ultegra 6870 Di2 and Ultegra 6770 E-tube road shifting systems. SM-EWW01 plugs into the E-tube wiring system between existing components. It has an 2 wiring ports, so it can be connected between a front shifter and the Front Junction A, or at the rear derailleur (between rear derailleur and Etube wire.) It transmits through a proprietary private ANT wireless protocol, which may eventually become a standard public ANT+ protocol. It is powered by the same Di2 system battery. It is currently compatible with the Garmin Edge 1000, Mio 505, and the PRO SCIO cycling computers (with more to come.) The hidden buttons under the hoods of the 9070 shifter levers will switch screens on the cycling computer when paired with this module. It does not currently allow for shifting control from a cycling computer/device and it is not clear that this functionality will ever be offered. The SM-EWW01 is 38mm long, 25mm wide, 12.5mm high, and weighs less than 5 grams. It does not come with any wires; 1 wire would have to be added if adding this module to an existing Di2 system.
EW-WU101 and EW-WU111 ANT and Bluetooth Wireless Broadcast Modules: These modules are similar to the SM-WEE01 but also include Bluetooth capabilities in addition to ANT capabilities. They require the BT-DN110 battery or the BM-DN100 Battery Mount and cannot be used with the SM-EW67 Front A Junction.
SC705 Alfine Display Unit: This unit displays the battery level and the rear derailleur gear selection. It is powered by the system battery and has a port for the SM-BCR2 internal battery charger / USB diagnostic tool. It is primarily designed for Alfine systems (both 8 505-series and 11 speed 705-series). It is compatible with Ultegra and Dura-Ace Di2.
MT800 Digital Display with Bluetooth: Primarily aimed at XT mountain bike applications, this display allows toggling between the 3 synchronized shift modes (where both derailleurs are intelligently coordinated in unison by one pair of buttons, so no need for discrete shifting of the front derailleur.) It also shows battery level, gear position, shift mode and FOX iRD suspension position. The Digital Display required the new BT-DN110 battery. Existing Di2 XT systems are upgradable to be compatible with the new digital display after battery upgrade and firmware upgrade. This display has 3-port Di2 Cable junction and charging port integrated into the back and serves as a Front A Junction.
Batteries and Battery Mounts:
The batteries contain the main controllers for the system. It is therefore required to upgrade the battery to get features released in new versions of Di2 (such as Synchronized Shifting that automatically controls the front derailleur based on rear derailleur shifting.)
SM-BTR1 External Battery: This external battery must be used with the SM-BMR1 battery mount. It is removed from the mount and charged using a dedicated charger.
SM-BMR1 and SM-BMR2 External Battery Mount: This mount attached to bottle cage mount points or other dedicated frame mounts. It is available in 3 different mount lengths: -I (intermediate length), -S (short length), -L (long length). The SM-BMR2 is an updated version of the SM-BMR1.
SM-BTR2 Internal Battery: This battery is typically mounted in the seat post or seat tube of the frame. It is charged by plugging the SM-BCR2 Charging Cable/PC Adapter into the SM-EW90-A or SM-EW90-B Front A junctions.
BT-DN110 Internal Battery: This battery is required for Bluetooth wireless units and road groupset Synchronized Shifting functionality.
BM-DN100 External Battery Mount: This battery is required for Bluetooth wireless units and road groupset Synchronized Shifting functionality.
Front A Junctions:
SM-EW67-A-E Ultegra 3-Cable Junction: This is the original front junction with 2 integrated cables to connect to the dual control brake lever/shifters. The male cable ends on this Front A Junction will not mate directly to the male cable ends on any of the Time Trial/Triathlon dual control brake shift levers or shifters; SM-JC41 Rear B Junctions can be used to connect this front A junction to TT/Triathlon shifters. This Junction works only with External Batteries, not Internal Batteries.
SM-EW90-A Dura-Ace 3-Port Junction: This front “A” junction is most commonly used in road bike setups. 2 ports connect to the dual control brake / shift levers; the third port is for the cable that leads to the bottom bracket junction.
SM-EW90-B Dura-Ace 5-Port Junction: This front “A” junction is primarily used in the Time Trial / Triathlon setups. 2 of the port are for the brake/shifter dual control levers, 2 of the ports are for the aer0 bar bar-end shifters, and the 5th port is for the cable that runs to the bottom bracket (where the B junction joins the wires from the front A junction, front derailleur, rear derailleur, and battery.)
EW-RS910 Internal Bar-end Junction: This junction is installed into the end of a bar or in a dedicated frame port. It facilitates internal cable routing.
B Junctions:
SM-JC41 Internal Junction: This version has the exact functionality as the SM-JC40 external version, but doesn’t have the mounting tab for being bolted to the bottom bracket or wrapping the extra cable lengths. It has 2 ports on one end and 2 on the other, making it more compact. In addition to being located at the bottom bracket to connect the A junction, battery, front derailleur, and rear derailleur, it can be used at the handle bars to join multiple shifters prior to being connected to the A Junction.
SM-JC40 External Junction: This version is intended to be attached to the frame using the bolt that is commonly located underneath the bottom bracket housing. This junction contains no electronics; it’s sole purpose is to join 4 connectors together, which are usually the wire from the front A junction, the battery, the front derailleur, and the rear derailleur. There are wire holders above the housing to capture the extra wire length by wrapping it back-and-forth.
Cables, Grommets, and Cable Remove/Install Tool:
EW-SD50 Cables: These cables connect the front A junction, the battery, the front derailleur, and the rear derailleur to the rear B junction, which is typically located near the bottom bracket (near the cranks.) These are available in lengths of 300mm, 350mm, 400mm, 500mm, 550mm, 600mm, 700mm, 750mm, 950mm, 1000mm, 1200mm, 1400mm.
SM-GM01 Grommet: These round grommets are used when drilling round holes for internal cable routing, or with existing round holes. The required hole diameter is 6mm (6mm = .236 inches. Use a 7/32-inch drill bit and then “wallow-out” the hole to make it a little bigger; a 1/4-inch drill bit will work but is just slightly larger than necessary.)
SM-GM02 Grommet: These 7mm x 8mm oval shape grommets are used in some situations / frame designs.
Shimano TL-EW02 Ultegra DI2 E-Tube Tool: This tool is used to connect and disconnect the Etube wires. They are extremely difficult to connect/disconnect by hand, and pliers or other tools can damage the wires. Don’t get this confused with the TL-EW01 tool, which is for the older 5-wire 7970 cables. (My Dura-Ace TT Dual Control Levers came with one of these tools, but no other components did.)
Common Questions (via Shimano):
Note: it is not necessary to replace the FD from upgrading from 10-speed to 11-speed.
What Components do I need to put together my own Di2 system?
Because of the huge number and variety of components, it’s very difficult to figure out what is actually necessary and what is optional. So here is a list, for the setup I recommend: Ultegra 6870. It starts from the handlebars and works backwards. (This assumes both front and rear derailleurs, but you actually don’t have to have both; you can pick one or the other and only the corresponding front shifter to go along with it.)
- Any Type of Shifters / Shift Buttons. The Dual Control Brake Levers/Shifters are not required. You can get the just the climbing shifters or Triathlon/TT bar-end shifters, and then potentially add the Dual Control Levers/Shifters at a later point. (The only exception is the Sprint shifters, which require specific Dual Control Levers/Shifters with special ports as noted elsewhere in this article.) Amazon.com link
- EW-SD50 Wires 1 and 2 between the front shifters and the Front Junction A (0nly for some shifters). This is a bit confusing, because some of the front shifters come with wiring attached to them and some of them require purchasing separate wires. In general, most of the stand-alone shifters come with wiring, as do the TT/Triathlon dual control shifters/levers, but the road dual control levers do not. Amazon.com link
- Front Junction A. I recommend the SM-EW90-B 5-port front junction A as it provides the most upgrade flexibility; get the 3-port option only if you’re positive you’re never going to add more shifting components. The older SM-EW67-A-E has 2 wires built-in to connect with each of the dual control shift/brake levers; it doesn’t offer much flexibility or compatibility with a TT/Triathlon setup or adding additional shifters. Amazon.com link
- EW-SD50 Wire 3 between the Front Junction A and the 4-port Rear Junction B connector. Amazon.com link
- EW-SD50 Wire 4 between the Rear Junction B and the Front Derailleur. Amazon.com link
- EW-SD50 Wire 5 between the Rear Junction B and the Battery. Amazon.com link
- EW-SD50 Wire 6 between the Rear Junction B and the Rear Derailleur. Amazon.com link
- Rear Junction B: This is where the wire from the front of the bike is connected to 3 output wires leading to the front derailleur, rear derailleur, and battery. SM-JC40 is for external wiring, SM-JC41 is for internal. Amazon.com link
- Grommets for any place where the wire goes into the frame through a drilled hole. Amazon.com link
- Front Derailleur. I recommend the Ultegra FD-6870 for 11-speed builds or the FD-6770 for 10-speed builds. The Dura-Ace FD-9070 is pretty much identical, just slightly (41g) lighter and 11-speed only. (I do not recommend the Ultegra FD-6770 unless you have a 10-speed setup, because of firmware compatibility issues with 11-speed rear derailleurs. Also, it is an older design than the FD-6870, so it is larger and offers slightly less shifting force.) Amazon.com link
- Battery and Charger. Internal or external, depending on the build. If you have to skill/time/money-to-pay-someone to get everything internal, I highly recommend that option. The SM-BTR2 internal battery has more advanced integrated electronics and is better for firmware upgrades with the SM-BCR2 internal battery charger/PC tool. If you go with the SM-BTR1 external battery, you will need the SM-BMR1 external battery mount and SM-BCR1 external battery charger. Amazon.com link
- Rear Derailleur. I recommend the Ultegra RD-6870 for a new build if you have 11-speed compatible wheels with 11-speed sprockets, or the Ultegra RD-6770 if you have 10-speed wheels/sprockets. The system must be match front and rear derailleurs (both 6870 11-speed or both 6770 10-speed.) Amazon.com link
- TL-EW02 Etube Wire Remove/Install Tool: It takes quite a bit of force to snap the wires in/out. You may think you can get it seated properly with just your fingers, only to then have the wire come loose because it wasn’t fully seated. It’s a good idea to keep one in your saddle bag. Amazon.com link
What wire lengths do I need? This question is impossible to answer correctly, as it’s highly dependent on the frame size and configuration. What I recommend is running string between the component mounting locations to measure the lengths. Be sure to add some extra length, as I find that wires seem to come up short pretty frequently, even when “adding a little extra” to start with. Nothing is more frustrating that having a wire that is 25mm too short. I recommend ordering a few extra wires of multiple lengths and then returning the unneeded/unused wires. As noted above, the standard wire lengths are 300mm, 350mm, 400mm, 500mm, 550mm, 600mm, 700mm, 750mm, 950mm, 1000mm, 1200mm, 1400mm. Do not cut/splice these wires; the connectors on the end of the wires are very small in diameter to start with and you’ll end up with a splice that is larger and less waterproof than you started with.
Acknowledgements: Special thanks to Di2diy for his continued help in the comments. Check out his Ebay store for custom Di2 batteries, harnesses, and components.
Technical Details of the Di2 CANBUS protocol and signaling
Thanks to commenter Ghislain for the details: “I reversed engineered the signal going to the RD. Since I did not have a special tap connector, I could only look at the actual signals in open loop (RD wire disconnected) on the wire going to the RD using an oscilloscope. First, I found that shift up and down are multiplexed on the same wire. A shift down would generate a positive 100 msec clean 8 volt pulse (varies between 50 msec to 500 msec depending on how long you hold the shifter). On the same wire, a shift up would generate a series of 2 msec pulses that would last the same time of a shift down pulse. Therefore, the RD has enough intelligence to discriminate between the 2 types of pulses. When you hold the button on junction A, a 140 msec pulse is generated. But since my RD wire was disconnected, the RD would not go in adjust mode.”
Hi Carlton. Is it possible to daisy-chain multiple JC41’s together? Currently on my Plasma 3 I’m using the EW-90b 5 port mounted under the stem, but I want to relocate it to the top of the seatpost. I there a way to accomplish this with only one wire running from the cockpit to the EW-90(a or b) on the seatpost? Thanks.
Eric, yes, the jc41 is basically just a connector to mate wire ends together. You can use them anywhere in the system.
Hi Carlton
I’m pulling my hair out. After an initial 6 months of perfect Di2 when it was fitted as an aftermarket fit, I noticed my battery life was shortening dramatically, to the point where it would go from plenty of charge to fully discharged in minutes. Over the last year the dealer and me have now changed every component on the system, including the corroded 650mm cable from junction B to the RD that I spotted after its last visit to the shop (cable & box B both renewed). All of the firmware is up to date, the SM-PCE1 reports no errors but since the last full charge a week & half ago it’s managed one 10 mile test run, a couple of commutes and 3 laps of the Great Orme before giving up the ghost and showing solid red.
Any thoughts? My clutching at straws idea is that the new battery suffered with the slightly corroded connection at box B and was fully discharged, or that the apparently minor issue of the system needing to be re-indexed every time the battery is reconnected after a charge may be a bigger issue than it looks. Where do I go next to get it back to the Di2 that everybody else enjoys?
What I did with this same problem was recharging, disconnect a componenr (rear derailleur for example), see whats happening, If no drain, problem found and otherwise, recharge the battery and disconnect some another compontent. Turned out that in my case the battery holder was draining the system. Simply charge the battery, disconnect the battery holder, insert the battery and see what happens…. The batteryholder was replaced under garantee by shimano in the 23th month…
Now that sounds feasible. RD, FD, both shifters, both junction boxes, all wires and two new batteries haven’t resolved it. Battery mount? It’s still the original afaik. Thanks for the tip, and the trouble-shooting ideas. Really appreciate that. I’ll give it a go.
Follow-up. I replaced the battery mount, which means that every component including cables has been replaced since December 2012. The batteries (new and spare) have lasted 7 & 9 days respectively, with ~100 miles out of them. Not good.
The idea of disconnecting components in turn to see what happens sounds good but with it taking a week or so to die that’s potentially 8 weeks without using it, which I’m not keen on. Suggestions welcome…
Thanks.
Nice article and I am all about giving good information like this to consumers. Just thought I would post my experience with Di2 here to further enlighten consumers on managing their Di2 set up themselves.
Solid 6-8 months use and 100s of miles not a hint of problems. Thought I’d run my own diagnostics and maintenance by myself since I work in the tech field. My undocumented discoveries were as follows:
MacBook Pro + VMware Fusion Windows setup:
Not a windows / pc guy AT ALL, so set myself up with VMWare Fusion running Windows 8 on OS X. All good, got the e-tube software to install but for some reason USB was not picking up the (SM-PCE1) PC Connector tool properly. Thought the SM-PCE1 was faulty so exchanged it for a new one but same thing no connection.
Set up VMWare again but this time running Windows 7 everything worked fine with USB. I have read there are problems in general with Shimano’s e-tube software and USB drivers on Windows 8.
SM-BTR2 Internal Battery Firmware 3.0.5
Upgraded the firmware for a few on the Di2 components in my setup. The Internal Battery being one of them. When I put everything back to together my bike refused to shift any gear at all. I ran a lots of checks and lots of tests. The shifters worked fine,the front and rear derailleur worked fine. Everything pointed to the battery.
I was so confused since the battery had worked flawlessly for months over 100s of miles how could possibly go out of wack in an instant !
After running a million tests all and seeing all the evidence point to battery issues. After following instructions in the e-tube software to connect the battery directly to my computer and still seeing problems. I decided to head out and buy an new battery to see if indeed this was the issues.
Got home with new battery and plugged in directly to my compter right away. Synched up fine and requested a firmware update. The new battery was on v2.3.2 and I was being prompted to update to 3.0.5. I ignored this and plugged the battery right into my bike and it worked fine and began to charge.
Based on this experience I am pretty convoked there is either some issue with the new 3.0.5 firmware or something went wrong with the install of the new firmware that corrupted my battery.
For the time being. Im not doing anymore firmware updates from Shimano on any of the components. As long as I can adjust my gear shifting and configure things how I want that pretty much all I need.
But would love to hear other experiences with firmware updates to the battery.
the symptoms you describe are well documented for systems using 10 speed mixed with 11 speed components as they are NOT compatible with 3.0.5. I have updated many systems with the newer versions of e tube project with no problems.
I plug an etube wire into the bottom port on my st 6860, cut it in half and touch the wires together and it shorts them and shifts the RD, so I know I am good there, but when i try to attach the cateye wires to the open e tube wires, i dont get a shift. any tips on what I am doing wrong?
There is not enough information here for me to understand what you are doing.
Hi Carlton, thanks for the info.
I’m currently using the Ultegra 6770 with sti shifter. I’m building a triathlon bike and would like to use the old system.
What do I need to get, like bar end shifter, internal battery and shifter on the brake handles.
Thanks in advance 🙂
Hi Carlton. I have a TT bike and currently run ultegra 6700 di2 with only aero bar shifters . I want to add bar end shifters. I only have a 3 way junction box currently. Correct me if im wrong but i will need to buy the TT shifters (ST-6871 Ultegra Di2 bar shifters), some wires and a 5 way junction box? Also will all this new stuff be compatiable with 6700 series di2. Thanks in advance.
Dan, you are correct in all points. Other option is to keep the 3 port junction and use a jc41 junction to connect wires from 3 shifters and then connect that to the 3 port junction.
Dear Carlton,
Any chance you know already if the new XTR Di2 system will be any compatible with the roadbikes setup Dura-Ace or/and Ultegra?
For example:
Will the shifters be usefull on a Ultegra setup, or can you replace an Ultegra RD by an XTRDi2 RD?
And do you need to replace the junction SM-EW-90A for the XTR to work?
I’m using now an customized Ultegra on my mountainbike, that’s why I’m asking…
Thanks!
Dries, I’m not sure about XTR compatibility but I’ve wondered the same thing. I’ll update the info above if/when I learn more.
Refer to this compatibility chart for the various e-tube Di2 groups: http://e-tubeproject.shimano.com/pdf/20140807_compatibility_chart_en.pdf
Based on this chart, the Road shifters are compatible with the M-series (MTN) derailleurs, but both derailleurs must be from the same group (ie: cannot intermix FD/RD groups).
Looking at the MTB section of this chart, it seems that it is possible to run a complete 9070 as an MTB set up (i.e. sequential shifting) but the RD must be MTB 9050 type. It seems to preclude the use of FD6870, which doesn’t seem to make sense and RD9070/6870. I imagine that once the 9050 kit has been widely available for a while, people will experiment.
I am looking at adding di2 shifters to the bullhorns on my TT bike with hydraulic brakes. Does anyone know if Shimano is planning to make one similar to the 6871 for bikes with hydraulic brake systems. IE Cervelo P3, P5 tt bikes.
Hi Carlton, thanks so much for this site!!, I am planning on installing TT shifters (SW-R671) on my bike with SM-EW67-A-E junction and ST-6770 shifters. In your post you mention I will need an extra SM-JC41 junction (…SM-JC41 Rear B Junctions can be used to connect this front A junction to TT/Triathlon shifters…). Can you clarify how the wiring would be? I am assuming it is SM-EW67-A-E to one of the four outlets at the new SM-JC41 and then the other three would be one to the rear SM-JC41 and the other two to the TT shifters. Or is it that I use the remaining terminals at ST-6770 shifters to connect to two of the outlets at SM-JC41 and the other two to the TT shifters? Really appreciate your help to define the right cables to buy (i.e. one small cable in first option or two cables). Thanks. Ricardo
Richard, you’ll need to connect everything in the cockpit (all the shifters) together using the SM-JC41 and then connect the SM-JC41 Front Junction A. All of the shifters need to be “in front” of the Front Junction A; they can’t connect directly to the Rear Junction B. Hope this helps!
Sorry but this is not correct. It makes absolutely no difference where the shifters are plugged in in fact they need not be plugged into the junction A location at all. you can plug them in anywhere, same goes for all e tube components with the exception of the sprint shifter. Thats how CANbus works…
I don’t have any 10 speed components. Just Dura Ace 9070 FD and RD. I believe this to be a firmware compatibility issue between components specifically relating to the battery. Shimano have since released a 3.0.6 firmware update for the variations of battery set ups.
Hi,
Do you know if the 9070 shifters will control the 6870 derailleurs?
Thanks,
Russ
Of course!
Hi, I have maybe a simple question. I am building a Ultegra Di2 system, and would like to ask if its possible to use a “normal” lithium battery instead of SM-BTR2 or SM-BTR1?, thinking of using a SM-EW90 to charge it through. Thanx, Per
Per, no, it’s not really possible to use a “standard” lithium ion battery. It requires special charge protection circuitry to make sure it doesn’t blow up when being charged, and this is a very real problem. You also need the Shimano circuity (external battery base) to put the battery on the CAN bus. If you’re looking for a non-Shimano battery, the one offered by Di2diy is the only option I’ve seen.
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I have a Di2 DA 10 speed system. The front derailleur seems faulty shifting back and forth with a clicking sound. No cycle shop is able to diagnose the problem. Don’t know if you’ve ever heard of this and my question is will an Ultegra Di2 fd 10 speed be compatible if it needs to be replaced?
Do you know whether it will be possible to run a road 9070 system with the MTB SC-M9050 system display, which allows for sequential shifting?
Hi, my Ulegra RD-6770 Rear derailleur cable got loose 3 times the last 4 weeks (when going over cobbles). I use the TL-EW02 to connect the cable again, but it feels like there is no ‘grip’ in the connector anymore. Should I clean the connector, replace the wire or (hopefully not) replace the derailleur? Any thoughts?
Thanks
This is a known issue with early generation 6770 rear derailleurs. I had the same issue and Shimano replaced it under warranty. Mine would just fall out and there was no “click” when the wire was inserted.
Hi – I’m re-building my di2 from a road bike to a tt: meaning I have RD-6770 rear and FD-6770 front connected via SM EW67A to 2 times ST 6770.
I have had 2 times SW-R671 (on an aerobar) connected .
Worked fines with all 4 shifters!
Now: replaced 2 times ST 6770 with 2 times new ST-6871 on TT-handlebar. Have also bought the SM-EW90B connection box – but only the SW-R671 on the aerobar works – and only if the SM-EW90B is connected to one of the to wires from the SM EW67A (I thought the SM EW67A should be replaced with SM EW90B).
How do I get the the 2 times ST-6871 to work?
Thanks very much in advance 🙂
best regards
Morten
You need to update the system firmware with e tube project
Thanks. But how is the best way to this?? Buy the Shimano SM-PCE1 PC?? And is it the firmware in the rear and the front shifters?
I would go with the PCE1 unless you are running the internal battery BTR2, than go with the BCR2…, you can only use one junction A box EW67 or EW90, same answer unless you are using a BTR2 the EW67 can be configured by just adding a JC41 junction.
thanks very much, I’m running the ecternal battery. Using the EW67 and JC41 would leave me with only 3 ports for shifters (and not 4 as needed), I think..
than the easiest thing would be the 5 port EW90, otherwise you need two JC41… unless you have soldering skills, than you could splice two shifters… BTW you only need one of the two cables to be plugged into the setup from the EW67
although it may be possible to use the control from the XTR sequential shifting, I know of no one who has done it, and since I cant think of a reason why one would need/want sequential shifting on a road bike I’m not compelled to do the research to make 9070 di2 sequential shifting. Fairewheel bikes did it back in 2010 on the 7970 di2 for a project bike but I don’t think it ever actually had a real purpose… just a fun project.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/fairwheel-bikes-creates-stunning-sequential-shifting-di2-equipped-hardtail
and, sorry forgot to ask: do the two connection boxes still need to be in? or can I remove the SM EW67A – and just connect via the SM EW90B?
thanks
Is there a way, with DA Di2 to program the shift pattern or map? I’d like to set it so when shifting the FD, the RD automatically shifts up or down to give me the next gear reatio.
although it may be possible to use the control from the XTR sequential shifting, I know of no one who has done it, and since I cant think of a reason why one would need/want sequential shifting on a road bike I’m not compelled to do the research to make 9070 di2 sequential shifting. Fairewheel bikes did it back in 2010 on the 7970 di2 for a project bike but I don’t think it ever actually had a real purpose… just a fun project.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/fairwheel-bikes-creates-stunning-sequential-shifting-di2-equipped-hardtail
Not exactly sequential. I don’t need it to step through the gears, I do want RD to respond to an FD shift…. Shifting of RD would not affect FD (except regular automatic trimming), shifting FD would trigger RD shift. Depending on the tooth numbers, of course, and FD shift spans 2-3, maybe even 4 read cogs, so when I shift from big ring to small, I inevitably also shift the RD two to three places to get to the next lower gear.
it cannot be setup to automatically shift the RD based on changing the FD. All you can do for the RD is setup multi shift of the RD to move 1,2, or 3 cogs (or unlimited) when you hold down the shifter button, but this is a manual shift made by you.
Well I bought everything to upgrade to 11 speed Ultegra Di2 including the SM-PCE1….
Anyone been able to get the SM-PCE1 to work on a MAC, no PC devices in this house? I am running Windows 7 via VirtualBox which works fine, the ETube software is installed but it will not recognise the SM-PCE1. The instructions say that it should ask for a driver but it doesn’t?
Getting frustrated now if anyone has had success using MAC, please HELP! 🙁
This topic has been covered in a previous post.
Wow great article!
I want a gradual upgrade to my Ultegra Di2 from 10 to 11 speed. I am running at the moment with the Dura-Ace 9000 crank and 11 speed chain without issue but I cannot interchange quickly wheels between bikes without removing cassettes.
So the plan is to get an 11s cassette and RD-6870, can this be set up without any firmware updates, thus avoiding the dreaded FD-6870 issue? I know it will need setting up mechanically but was hoping firmware could be left until a lter date when I have more Monet to spend…
Tx
Its not the FD or RD firmware that is at issue its the battery/power source that will require an update for you to use 11 speed FD with RD. If you are thinking of using the mechanical limit screws to run it as 10 speed I would not recommend it, it will eventually ruin tha RD servo. Just wait till you can do the complete upgrade.
Maybe I didn’t ask the question correctly? Firstly I am not buying the FD-6870 to run as a 10 speed that will stay as 6770, I will buy the RD-6870 so there should be no maxing out of the limit screws on anything. Its further up above in one of the articles where is says that you can change to 11 speed just by changing the RD, but this all goes wrong if the latest firmware is applied.
So I guess the question is do I need a firmware update or can I just update (for now) to RD-6870. I don’t see how this will max out any limit screws but I may be missing something?
Mostly the same answer; Its not the FD or RD firmware that is at issue its the battery/power source that will require an update for you to use the 11 speed RD. So it is likely that the system will require a update just so it can be used with whatever battery setup you have since its now 10 speed ultegra. I misunderstood and thought that you were planning to stay 10 speed and where going to make the RD 6870 run 10 speed by using the limiting screw to lock out the last cog as some have done. I would wait till you can do it correctly and run both FD/RD 11 speed. you can try it but there is a >50% chance you will need to update it just to make it shift.
Thanks for the quick reply!
I was just taking it from Note 5 in the article where is states that only the RD needs swapping out to make it 11 speed without mentioning a firmware update. I guess I will have to buy the SM-PCE1 and figure out how to get the software on a MAC, Parallels I believe….
Oops don’t know why that last post ended up in someone else’s thread….
Anyway I got it working on VMWare Fusion, but after hours of trying different things it will not recognise any part of my 6770 setup! :-S
This is before I try and upgrade to 11 speed components, tells me to check cables but that’s getting boring now its all connected fine….
I have a question, I crashed over the weekend and need a new Di2 RD, I am currently running 10 speed Ultegra 6770 Di2 across the bike. my version of eTube has never been updated since I purchased Di2 after market well over a year ago.
Having read the above article I am under the belief that since I currently have C24 9000 Wheels, I can just buy the 6870 11 Speed RD, 11 Speed Cassette and Chain and I can just plug it all in and it work.
All the bike shops here are saying I need new shifters, which having read the above article I dont really believe. Am i correct?
you are correct about the shifters, but since your system is setup 10 speed you will likely not be able to get the RD6870 to shift without updating the system, to be guaranteed that you will be able to go to 11 speed you will need to buy both FD&RD, update the system and it will work just fine.
Cool, just ordered the FD as well just to be sure. Better to be safe than sorry.
Hi, great article.
Ive got Di2 9070 and there is a SERIOUSLY annoying rattle coming from the front end that manifests itself only on rough roads, which unfortunately make up the majority of the roads i ride on!
I have been advised it is probably the levers because apparently “they all do it”, which I was thrilled to hear…
Have you come across this issue before? Any idea of how to cure it?
Thanks in advance
Will
I ride rough roads and get a lot of cable slap (internal routing, didn’t use the provided zip ties), I don’t notice any lever rattle.
Easy enough to check, just keep your hands on the levers… over the hoods, around the front to either silence, or feel for rattling.
If you are riding a carbon frame, a loose headset or loose brake mounting bolts can also be very noisy, dangerous and damagine, so you’ll want to check all.
DISASTER STRIKES
Really pulling my hair out and struggling with this SM-PCE1, it will not recognise anything other than the battery, if it is plugged in by itself and I now have 2 rear derailleurs that do not work RD-6770 and the new RD-6870, if it can’t see them and write firmware updates then how can it render them useless?
I dare not connect anything else as it seems if I try and get it to talk to a unit individually then it destroys it and it won’t work when connected back up in the system. The FD-6770 and FD-6870 still work okay but again they cannot be recognised by the SM-PCE1.
FYI I am using V2.5.2 firmware….
It performed a successful update of the SM-BMR1 but only ever see this if its connected directly…
Any help really appreciated or point me in the direction of any forums etc that may be able to assist.
…and now its stooped recognising the battery……
Be sure you are using the latest version of e tube. Update each compliment by its self one at a time, also be sure you have the correct driver for the PCE1, reboot the computer after. Also you can tot mix 6770/6870 FD/RD
Hi there, tx for the reply. It will not recognise any device if I plug them in 1 by 1 directly or in the circuit. How would I know if I had the correct driver for the PCE1 I just let it load the default but is there a way to update overide it other than through device manager?
I’m not mixing any components got my old FD and RD 6770 and new 6870’s. But neither RD works now. also noticed that pressing and holding the SM-EW67 no longer gives me a red setup light?
I really wanted this to work, but looks like a 200Km trip to a descent bike shop to sort it out… 🙁
I tried again, another 2 hours of nothing, recognises nothing at all, doesn’t matter if its just individual units. Goes through the same old routine of check wires and trying to overwrite firmware even though it hasn’t detected a device.
Maybe its a faulty unit, is there any way of checking this out other than having the green light illuminated? Only way for me to know otherwise is to take it to the not so LBS and if there’s works mine if faulty….
DAMN this things!
Try another computer since you had it partualy working at one point. Not had this issue on any thing I have worked on but it’s possible the files have been corrupted by trying to do the update over and over.
Tried on a neighbours Windows based PC, still no connection to the system 🙁
If I could try the RD’s on another bike I could figure out if it is them that are not working or something else is stopping the function. If I hold down the switch it does not go to settings mode (red LED) for the RD or FD any more…
Have there been many faulty SM units reported faulty or are most errors within the electrical system and software of the bikes themselves?
This is the first time I have heard of this issue.
Tx for all your help anyway. Yesterday I took it to the shop and they think its a cabling/switch issue as all the components work when plugged into another bike. Trouble is this means taking it back to the original shop as its under warranty! 🙁
Here’s an update to my situation and it isn’t too good!
Took the bike into the shop and they got it all working again with 10 speed components. Great so its all working again and updated to the latest firmware. Then we tried to switch to RD-6870 and it doesn’t work. No problem we think, now it is the latest firmware it needs FD-6870 so we put that on and still no joy, but the FD works, not the RD?
This is the second bike they have had this week that when updated to latest firmware the 11 speed RD does not function even with the 11 speed FD.
So we are waiting for the Spanish Shimano importer to come back to us.
Any advice or has something else changed in the firmware?
The symptoms you describe are that of a mismatched firmware, and or mixing 6770/6870 deraullers. Be sure to updat each configuration as a system.
I am currently running dura ace 7900 mech on my 2011 giant tcr advanced sl 1. Thinking of going to di2. I assume the ultegra 6700 will run on my dura ace cassette, chain and chain rings?
I’d appreciate it someone would confirm something for me please. With the latest e-Tube version, is it possible to convert 6770 to 11 speed if both the FD & RD are replaced with 6870? Thanks
Yes.
Hi Carlton,
when you mentioned the sattelite shifters SW-R600 you should be aware that you also can install two to also shift the front dereilleur (I have two and in wörks)
Greetings, Dirk
Dirk,
Are you using a 10 or 11 speed setup? I want to only use a pair of SW-R600 and get conflicting reports of functionality with FD.
Thanks – Todd
The SW-R600 only shifts the RD.
Hi, i am using Di-2 6770 on 3 Cyclocross bikes last season without any problem. Now i start to upgrade to RD 6870 with 10-speed shifters. I am testing one bike with single chainring and without FD. With my old RD 6770 10-speed everything is fine. If i switch the RD 6870 on, nothing happens! I try to connect the RD6870 to the system, but does not work. I switched the RD6870 to my DA9070 Roadbike and it works once a time. I switched back to the Cyclocross bike and nothing works. Then i switched again to the DA 9070 system and the RD6870 does not work anymore. Back switching RD9070 to DA System works fine. Backswitching RD 6770 to the Cyclocrossbike works fine too. I also changes the batteries, but nothing works with the RD6870. It works only once a time
i also switched to an complete new DI-2 6870 Group. My RD 6870 works fine. Then i switched back to the Cyclocrossbike….nothing works.
Maybe someone could help me….is the missing FD the key ?
Thanks in advance, Stefan
You need to update the firmware.
ok, wich version should i use?
whatever is the latest… when you open up e tube project it always checks to see if you have the current version.
Ok, i will check it in the near future. Is there any problem about mixing FD 6770 with RD 6870 or without any FD after the update? Thanks again!
They can not be mixed, FD/RD must be the same.
hello. I have a fd and rd 6700 with internal battery and 5 port front junction. can I use e tube software to have it install multishift? thx
Yes if it’s actually a 6770, 6700 is mechanical.
yes it is 6770. thanks
in your note #5 you mentioned you can upgarde from 10 speed to 11 by switching chain, cassette and RD to 6870 and leaving th FD as 6770. however in some replys you indicated that you need to change both FD and RD to either 6870 or 9070. please clarify. thanks
It was true when Clayton originally posted the info, but Shimano made changes to the firmware a couple of months ago to put an end to people saving money.
Hi Carlton. Wonder if you might be able to help me. The front shifting on my 6870 set up is not as crisp as I would like – often on up shift there is a slight delay while the chain ‘chatters’ before it lifts onto the big ring. I have tried every conceivable adjustment to the derailleur, ensuring is set exactly parallel to the rings and fully supported by the support bolt, and that the height above the rings is correct. The problem seems to be the electronic adjustment. There are 25 steps to the electronic adjustment, and the Shimano install guide recommends that it should be set so that there is 0 to 0.5 mm between the cage inner plate and the chain. When in adjustment mode even in the outermost electronic adjustment position there is still a gap of at least 2mm to the chain. If have checked the chain line in case the BB is not installed correctly and it is bang on the specified 42.5 mm from the centre of the BB shell to the midpoint between the chainrings, so I am very puzzled as to why the front shifter apparently cannot be adjusted according to Shimano’s instructions. I have the latest firmware installed. Could my front shifter be faulty in some way? Any advice gratefully received!
Thanks, Mark
I had exactly the same, solved by adjusting the (H)igh and (L)ow adjustment screws, in my case easing the H out a little further….
Kevin, thanks I’ll give that a try. Does moving the H screw out a bit further increase the range of movement of the shifter when in electronic adjustment mode?
It does indeed set the furthest points that the electronic shifting will shift to. Do the adjustment on the big ring at the front and small at the back, keep easing the cage out a little further until you get an instant pickup from small to big ring. That’s all I did after searching YouTube for a video and it works superbly now….
I have the same issue with front shifting. I experienced a noticeable difference in shifting by changing heigth of the cage.
Hi Carlton, Firstly my compliments on such a brilliant site..without its existence and your extensive knowledge the Di2 world would be a much poorer place!
Anyway on with my question..,and apologies if this one has been answered before but I need to be 100% certain I will be doing the right thing by upgrading my relatively new (August 2014) 6770 10 speed system to 11 speed, by fitting a new rear 6870 11 speed derailleur?.ie: retaining the 6770 FD and shifters. I will obviously be fitting a new 11 speed cassette and 11 speed chain. I have to admit to being a bit of a novice with Di2 and realise you have mentioned about not updating the firmware above v2.0.6, otherwise the mix of 6870 and 6770 will not work, so with my existing new 6770 system and the fitting of a brand new 6870 rear derailleur, do you think this system will already have the new firmware installed and thus not allow the mix to work?
Thanks,
Jeff
You need to buy the FD6870, without updating the firmware the RD will not work.
Cheers for your speedy advice Di2diy. So even fitting 6870 on both derailleurs will still require the firmware updated at my LBS then? Presumably as I am mixing with my 6770 shifters?
Most likely, depending on when the system was last updated.
Many thanks for your help Di2. Looks like a trip to the shop.:-)
6770 now discontinued 🙁
If you do break a mech or shifter (like me) be prepared to buy used on eBay or similar as stocks of new kit will quickly dry up and mixing 6770 and 6870 seems to be no longer possible.
My 6870 kit has just arrived. Is there anything wrong with connecting the components on the lounge room floor and checking they work. I don’t want to dismantle my mech setup to find that I have a dodgy component.
I did and didn’t have any issues. Even did the firmware update prior to installing any component.
Hi, I have attempted to update my 6770 group so that I can use multishift, however all that happens is that similar to another user (Kevin) the system continually attempts to update the firmware in all the components, without actually recognising any. I now have a shifter which the system says is faulty, was working fine before, but now won’t do anything.
Any help is appreciated.
Never sorted mine, took it to the LBS they couldn’t figure it and even spoke to Shimano España who didn’t know what the problem was. I returned everything as they felt maybe something was faulty, couldn’t be bothered with the hassle of trying again so stuck with 10 speed for now. Maybe you got my faulty stuff from Bike Discount in Germany! 🙂 🙂
Hey, I read whole article and all questions/answers.
Today, i will try to update my Ultegra 6770 Di2 10-speed. I have E-tube 2.8.2 installed and seems ready to update all components, but now i am confused about corrupting my fine working setup. Should I hit the update button for all my components? Or do I need to pay attention to something? My ultegra di2 setup is a never updated one since i bought them on June 2013. Think all of them are in factory settings. I also read an aricle which says to update SM-BMR1 with e-tube 2.3.2. Now i really don’t know what to do 🙂 Any comments are more than welcome.
2.8.2?? current version is 2.8.1… the only reason you would NEED to update is because something needs to be changed like multi shifting settings, and the current version of e tube Project has an error when doing so. Other reasons may include just wanting to have an up to date system, or adding new items like a remote shifter… personally I keep my system up to date, for the same reason I update apps on my phone, or computer… because future updated released versions do not always work well after several revisions have been missed. Yes some people have reported having issues when doing updates, however I suspect they do not read/understand the prompts when doing the updates, or are trying to update systems that have not been keep up to date across several version changes.
Yes current vesion 2.8.1, sorry for writing 8.2
My reason to update is to use D-fly with edge 1000. I do accept that I am late to update my setup. I should have done it a year ago. That’s why, now i’ll try to catch up current versions.
But i don’t want to ruin my working setup. Just want to be sure about how to perform updating.
Is there an order which i need to follow or not? Maybe i can update with 2.3.0 then 2.5.0 then 2.8.1 🙂
Yes current vesion 2.8.1, sorry for writing 8.2
My reason to update is to use D-fly with edge 1000. I do accept that I am late to update my setup. I should have done it a year ago. That’s why, now i’ll try to catch up current versions.
But i don’t want to ruin my working setup. Just want to be sure about how to perform updating.
Is there an order which i need to follow or not? Maybe i can update with 2.3.0 then 2.5.0 then 2.8.1
You will definitely need to update the system. Order doesn’t matter, just follow the prompts. You will be ok.
I have an Ultegra 6870 complete groupset with Sprint Shifters on my new Felt F2. Can I buy the SW-R600 and plug it into one of the ports of the Right Brake/Shifter lever? Thanks
Yes there is one port left on both sides, you will likely need to update the firmware if you want to program the buttons to shift the way you want, the factory settings may not be to your liking.
Good afternoon, I have a Dura Ace Di2 group and am encountering the following prblema with my rear derailleur:
when I switch gears, two red lights flash 5 times together and exchange moves alone.
Can anyone give me some guidance?
Thank you
Check the battery charge.
Thank you!
already reviewed the battery, did a load without the need and the problem continues. may be some bad contact in connector cables?
I’m a new Di2 user and learned a ton reading the article. I just got my new Felt F2 with Ultegra 6870 Di2. It came with the Sprint shifters installed on the drops. I would like to install the Climbing shifters on the Bar top as well. Can I just plug the climbing shifter into the Right Dual Brake/Shift lever or do I need to buy the 5 port junction box? Thanks for you help. I’m loving the Di2 setup.
Sorry, didn’t think my first post took. I updated the firmware last night. Worked perfectly. Any suggestions on the best place to purchase the Climbing shifter? Thanks again.
Ebay. When you connect the shifters you will need to update the firmware in the buttons to change the settings.